Penner's Carnage

[Richard Hatch]

a nasty ass dude like Yau Man

Hey! I met Yau he was a nice person <3 and not nasty, just a little old, gawsh.

[Amanda Kimmel]

May 12, 2012 21:20:27 GMT -5 Jonathan Penner said:

Anyways, I'm not normally a judgmental person, this game has gotten the best of me unfortunately and out of my own personal feelings and situations about how this game went for me, I will vote, but I have no desire to play with most of you in the future and I will not be accepting my AS spot.

So good luck to you Yau, good luck to you Anthony and thanks for the game Andy. May the best person win and I hope that they will.

You're welcome. Sorry to hear you have to decline All-Stars - you'll be missed! I understand why, but if you change your mind, you know where to find me

Also, thank you for playing. It was great having you, and I hope that you consider playing again in any future projects of mine!

[Brenda Lowe]

[Jonathan Penner]

Thanks Andy! I had a good time.

[Anthony Robinson]

Hi Penner.

~ Sorry for taking so long to respond, if I'm even allowed to respond, but frankly I don't care and I'm not gonna let someone walk over me like this. I was visiting family this weekend (mother's day) so I wasn't able to respond earlier. ~

Thanks for spending time on writing those 'nice' words. I'm sure others find them very enjoyable and entertaining. I don't find them entertaining and they're pretty hurtful considering the time and energy I put into this, so congratulations on finally achieving something in this game Jon!

First of all, let me respond to your conclusion.

But I wanted to put your games into perspective and allow you to see them from a harsher angle because, especially you Anthony, I think if you read what I said, then you will see that this game was more deserved on someone else's hands.

You may think that I don't deserve my spot here. Well, I spent a huge amount of time on this game, loved the game, had fun, and each and every round did what was best for me and my future in this game. I am proud of what I have accomplished in this game, whether you like it or not. I totally deserve to be here and couldn't have done it any better. I wasn't proud of the fact that I threw your game out of the window, but after this I know that it was the right move for me to make. You were fake, you never liked me, and you played me. Well done, and well done on my part on dumping you. I can now rightfully say that I don't regret anything I did in this game.

Did others deserve this more than me? I am not arguing against that. I have a LOT of respect for each and every jurors game and everyone played to the best of their abilities and gave their all. Come merge, every player except for Angie had a shot at this. Everyone made their own moves, took their own decisions, and we all play DIFFERENT games. Is one better than the other, is one more deserving than the other? Oh maybe, I'm not arguing against it. I respect people and I respect their games. I got here and deserve to be here, and I don't let someone take that away from me.

Christ, I cannot tell you in any amount of words how worthless I think you TRULY are. Your immunity wins aren't as impressive as they are annoying. It's people like you that I find to be such a drag in games, especially this one, because you made this game almost like a monopoly. You won nearly every challenge, you along with 2 other people held nearly every prize in the game. You type of people make these games not so fun and you are not fun to align with because you're just more fun to go against to get some sort of challenge. I'm surprised that there are at least 2 people on this Jury that aligned with you guys simply because you guys held so many prizes and they wanted to be covered.

Thanks for being true to me. I'm glad we finally get to see some personality from you. You have your personal minute of fame, hope you're enjoying it.

It hurts to see that I took the fun out of the game for you. That's never my intention, and it makes me doubt whether I should ever sign up for a game again. I see that you are not going to play All-stars. This is just conjecturing, but I have a feeling you may be in all-stars with another alias; if that's the case please let me know so I won't ruin another game for you. That's never my intention and I will gladly step aside for someone as fake as you. I can't deal with that.

Plus people like me? What's people like me? I have played games before, and yeah I win my challenges, but I'm not the typical immunity whore that wins each and every challenge. Only like 2 individual immunities per game. For me it was a HUGE accomplishment to win 7 out of 11 immunities and I wasn't going to throw them because you found me annoying. This game, the cast, the host and her style of hosting, and the type of challenges gave me just that extra push to give a 100% in each and every challenge. This has been my favorite ORG to date and I spent a lot of time and energy on doing well and I had a lot of fun doing so. It was never my intention to make it less fun for you, and I am sorry for letting you be part of my game, giving you my DV items, and talking to you.

Your claim about the prizes is wrong. We did not hold "nearly every prize" in this game. In fact I gave three of my prizes to you. The majority of our prizes were fake, and we barely even needed the prizes. The three of us also got prizes from outside of our threesome. Two came from you, one from Angie, a few from Shawna I believe, and I'm sure I'm missing some. We worked hard on our social games to gather all those prizes. We were whores and we rocked at being whores. We didn't hold "nearly every prize" though.

Did these two people you are talking about really align with us because we possessed nearly every single prize? Really? You could have gone to Shawna after she was voted out. You could have talked to her and get her on your side by putting your cards on the table. These people made their own decisions and worked with us because we showed interest in working with them. That's what I believe happened, at least, but call me ignorant. Had they worked with you then you could have easily gone against The Trinity thanks to the prizes that I gave you. You just sat back and didn't do shit. Don't talk other people's games and decisions down when you simply lost and weren't fast and smart enough with your own moves.

I don't know about everyone else, but I for one don't want to be sitting at the end with nothing to present the Jury except "I won challenges" and "I had a ton of prizes" and that is the only criteria we have to vote on...you we basically never vulnerable. You can argue you were, but you really weren't. You had something to fall back on, always, and I quite frankly cannot see how that would be fun since you were hardly playing the game of Survivor.

Immunity challenges are part of the game that's called Survivor. I worked freaking hard in all of them and deserved every single win in those challenges. I have shown in my answers that there was way more to my game than just challenge wins. If you don't want to see that, fine. I hope others do see it, because I really worked my ass off all game long, whether I was immune or not. My challenge wins were part of my game, but to hold that against me and say I didn't do anything else is just wrong. I could sit here and say "Hi I won so many challenges, that's why I'm here", but that's not the only reason I'm here so please don't blame me for answering people's questions and explaining my moves in the best way I can.

Yes, you talked to a lot of people. Were any of our talks strategy? HARDLY. You don't have a strategic bone in your body from what I can tell. You came here to do challenges to fill up your free time (which is a lot) and you came to meet new friends, not play a game...and that's something I cannot respect.

You have no fucking clue how much free time I have and why I have free time when I have it. You are a judgmental sore loser and have no clue what you are talking about. You don't fucking know me, you don't know my life, and I didn't come here to do challenges to fill up my free time. I fell in love with this game and let it take over from more important things in my life. Yes my time management is a mess and I really shouldn't be playing games. The game is a welcome distraction from real life though, and yes I play this to have fun and whether I win or lose, playing games is always about having fun for me. I'd love to win and based on my game I think I'd deserve it. We all have different mentalities and different ways of playing. Is it so hard to just play, have fun, and not get personal about someone's life and what they are doing with it?

I did talk strategy with people (two in particular), and I did have a clear strategy. I strategize in a more subtle way, I don't plan ahead when I know that I may not be able to stick to it, and I never aggressively make alliances. That's how I play, and it's how I love playing. Between you and me, who was the first person to mention that the other would hear when their name was brought up in a vote? ... Right... that's my way of making people feel part of my game and let them propose things. I don't propose alliances myself, but that doesn't mean I don't have a strategy. Within Trinity I did a lot of strategical thinking, and all the decisions that I made in this game (of which one was dumping you and it must have been the best move I've made in this game) were strategical decisions.

Each and every post-merge round, I made sure that the very best for my game would happen. Whether that was helping Trinity further or eliminating others, I did what was best for me and my future in the game. See, this was my bootlist at the Final 8:

Want gone.

Chelsea
Penner
Brenda
Courtney
Shawna
Jenn
Yau-Man

Best friends <3

The first three boots is exactly how it happened. As for the other three, it went in a different order simply because it was arguably better for my game. I knew all game long what I was doing and things went my way. The first three on that bootlist went exactly in the way that I wanted them to go. What could I have done more? I could have made unnecessary moves, but that's downright stupid. Each round things happened the way I wanted them to go and I had a key role in calling the shots and making sure these things happened.

You relate to Coach from South Pacific to me. You think you might have played some stellar game and you winning challenges was all strategy to keep prizes out of people's hands or whatever, but you had Sophie (Jenn/Yau) by your side who did your strategizing for you and basically are the reason you're here. They could have easily dumped you when you were vulnerable and your prizes would not have saved you if they combated them with their own. But alas, those one or two social ties you had kept you alive...so I'll give you that.

I had way more social ties, and you know that. Jenn/Yau did not do the strategizing for me. I had a part in all the strategizing. I have explained most of these things in response to other questions, so it doesn't make much sense to repeat them, you are just being ignorant here because you lost and because I wouldn't listen to you when you wanted my vote. Whatever.

But I don't give a rat's ass about your time zone,

I don't either.

because you came here to play a game...and that's something I didn't see from you. Not you playing the game, other people played the game for you and you refused to make any sort of moves to benefit you coming to this Final Tribal...to make you look presentable and respectable. You just didn't. Yes, you made the right choices to get here, and maybe that's the ONLY way you could have ended up where you are, but I look at you and I see someone who came here to compete in challenges, not play the game.

Oh did I not make moves? Did I not make a move in Round 1 of this game, together with Michael, making sure that Angie would stay? Did I not choose to stick with Trinity over someone that was completely fake and never liked me? Did I not bring up the idea of fixing relationships with Shawna when things looked bad? Did I not take risks with telling Courtney about the vote against Chelsea? Did I not vote Jen out to put myself in a better spot at the Final 3? It's all moves, moves, moves. I never changed things up, because, obviously there was no need to. Sure, it's a snoozefest for you, but I am not going to change things up just for the sake of changing things up. Like you wanted to do, and failed hard at.

Oh and yeah, you wanted me to shake things up, of course. I didn't listen, and now, my game lacks moves, of course. Because I didn't want to help your sorry self out. Glad I didn't.

Personally, you left a bitter taste in my mouth. The way you sobbed about the auction like I did something wrong. We've got that out in the open, but you were completely blinded by that one moment that you weren't listening to reason. You were never playing a smart game, it seemed you were playing for that guy sitting next to you and that girl you voted out 2 rounds ago.

Oh yes, I play for my alliance. That includes myself of course. I stick to them no matter what (if actually possible and if they don't act up like you did).

You gave me a good reason to dump you during that auction. I had all reasons to overreact, and it was great for my game that I made that decision. You were fake and never liked me, so I am glad that I was blinded by that one moment. And, of course, all the other moments that you made an ass out of yourself, calling YauMan a perve, pushing me to go after him, trying to make moves without ever communicating with me, not giving me your prize at Final 8, stuff like that. I had no reason to stick with you and my MOVE to go against you was perfect.

Immunity challenges aside and prizes aside, you have nothing. No caliber to your game. You were mediocre. Just a challenge pawn in someone else's game. Did you work your ass off to get to where you are? Hell yeah you did! Do you deserve to win this game? I think sitting next to that sack of bones and dust, it's more favorable than sitting next to anyone else in the Jury, but I still don't think so. Not even close.

I did way more than what you give me credit for. But it's fine, I'm not looking for your vote, you are a sore loser and I wouldn't want to win this game by getting your vote. You don't have respect for the way I play, so getting your vote wouldn't feel right.

If prizes were not a factor in this game, or there were just less amounts, I don't care what you say about numbers because multiple people have stated they sided with you because of the prizes, you both would not be here. You guys got lucky with the mass amounts of prizes (that somehow happened to be real minus a few) and that is the bottom line. There was ultimately NOTHING any one of us Jurors could have done, even if we all banded together, in order to take you guys out. Your prize whoring nulled any chance we had at taking any sort of control and for that, I would say this game was not well played, but well won.

Well, deception valley was part of this game. Like it or not. Everything was won fair and square, challenges are part of the game. A lot of strategizing goes into getting people to actually be on your side, even if the only reason is being item whores. It's about trust, and there's always the issue of finding the right balance between giving information and trusting people. You can be open about the prizes you have and talk them into siding with you because of them, but really there's way more to it than just showing how many prizes and power you have. We revealed Trinity to Shawna at Final 8, but really, had you made that move first then you could have won her trust. You had prizes too, enough to control that vote had you actually played it smart. You were a horrible mess though. At the time people had to get it together (at F8), lies about votes on YauMan and a fake conversation that was shown to Courtney got us through. It wasn't just about deception, whether you want to see that or not.


That's it. Just believe in what you want and be happy with it. I believe in my own game, I know the amount of effort I put into it, BOTH in challenges and in the other fields of this game. I didn't make unnecessary moves just to stir things up, I always did what was best for me and my future in the game, and all in all I played a good all round game. I played the game in a way that I love playing the game of Survivor, I stayed true to myself, and no one can take that away from me.

[Jonathan Penner]

I didn't read. Thanks for responding though.

[Yau-Man Chan]

I read Anthony and well said!!

[Jonathan Penner]

Thanks for the input Jess.

And I mean what I said to you as well. I wasn't here to bash you, I was here to understand you better and I think I did that.

[Yau-Man Chan]

I appreciate that Penner. I am sure a different situation and a little less misunderstanding and you and I might possibly get along well. I am sad to see you turn down your All Stars spot but understand that as well. Best of luck in all future moves and you never know we might meet again

[Jonathan Penner]

I hope so. Thank you!

JP out